10-12-2012 at 11:40 AM

I support this as well.<br /> <br /> I have quit trialing my dogs. I rarely win and when I do, it isn't enough to cover the loss I incur from my other dogs. <br /> <br /> Not to mention, now that the trialing age has been dropped, maxing out a capped dog in time to trial it is next to impossible.<br /> <br /> At this point, I see no benefit to trialing any more.<br /> <br /> Just my two-cents.

10-10-2012 at 11:44 AM

i'm still in support i hate the trial limit and would love if 4th- 5th at least made entry fee back

10-10-2012 at 7:20 AM

$84k a week (I'm too lazy to play all the games and calculate the entire amount) is $336k a month, that's like.. c'mon, how is anybody even sitting here complaining that new players get nowhere?<br /> <b>$336,000</b> a month<br /> <br /> <b>EDIT:</b> I wouldn't be able to calculate the entire reachable amount through playing frisbee, because all you have to do to win (I think the cap is $1,500 or $2,000) is have a basic-trained dog LOL. You can make mad bank with a bunch of basic-trained dogs.

10-9-2012 at 10:24 PM

Support!!!. I have a capped dog but I always almost loose with out renting out/having items that give you points. I have lost cash rather making cash (And they were my maxed capped dogs!).

10-9-2012 at 3:54 PM

Alright, more than 84k. That is still pretty significant and if you are careful, can get you pretty far.

10-6-2012 at 7:22 PM

Aust, that amount ($84,000) a week was <i>before</i> the Frisbee Challenge fix. Now, players can make more than $84k a week :P

10-6-2012 at 1:16 PM

About that newbie statement, the lower trials aren't hard to win. There are lots of unmaxed and partially maxed dogs trial in them. A Pound Project Dog can easily get you to Odie and then you could afford training for a higher TP dog, more slots or continue to save for a SC. I think Clay said that if you play all of the games you could make about 80k a week. Newbies aren't totally lost at the beginning, if they look around, they can be successful.<br /> <br /> Older members, you can make money off of a 500 TP dog like newbies can. You don't have to have millions to be successful. I personally only play the games on here and I do pretty well (okay, running 200 dogs on the FC makes me a lot but that's not the point!)

10-4-2012 at 7:52 PM

<b>I understand that, but at this point, there's no hard work involved.</b><br /> Speaking as someone who is breeding and training for the cap, yes there is a LOT of hard work. Unless you're haphazardly breeding with no concern for looks, inbreeding, breeding without maxing, etc.. it's a lot of work.<br /> <br /> <b>Once everyone gets a line to capped levels, mass-breeding happens. Why? Everyone wants to own a capped dog of this breed or that</b><br /> Not really true. I know a couple people who have bred to the cap and refuse to breed out or sell the pups because they don't want their line(s) ruined. I'm one of them, I will not be selling or breeding out from my capped line.<br /> <br /> <b>; high TP was the point of the game but mass breeding TP monsters no one wants to train isn't geting Ala anywhere.</b><br /> It's not setting us back, either. A capped, unmaxed puppy that isn't bought is not going to set Ala back, it's just like any other dog.<br /> <br /> <b>And it's not only older players who are suffering. Newbies can't do anything but dream of owning a maxed capped dog.</b><br /> They can very easily get one. I picked one up in the pound for pete's sakes lol<br /> <br /> <b>They can't afford to train one and training it themselves would literally take years if they can't win trials to buy other items like a Scholar Collar.</b><br /> They just need to buy more dog slots (the price on them hasn't changed) to get more TS to max them. Maxing dogs as a new player isn't impossible and Scholar Collars aren't rare or hard to get anymore. A new player shouldn't rush out and try and tackle a capped dog, they can easily make money with uncapped dogs (also speaking from experience here, I make lots of money trialing my uncapped dogs)<br /> <br /> <b>There's always at least one in every level of trials. Even if their owner enters the same trial on both accounts. There's no avoiding it aside from not trialling :P</b><br /> You're talking about a LOT of trials. I manage to avoid capped dogs in total lol.

10-4-2012 at 2:00 PM

I understand that, but at this point, there's no hard work involved. Once everyone gets a line to capped levels, mass-breeding happens. Why? Everyone wants to own a capped dog of this breed or that; high TP was the point of the game but mass breeding TP monsters no one wants to train isn't geting Ala anywhere. And it's not only older players who are suffering. Newbies can't do anything but dream of owning a maxed capped dog. They can't afford to train one and training it themselves would literally take years if they can't win trials to buy other items like a Scholar Collar. With this limit removed, they can get <i>somewhere</i> before facing the wall of capped dogs and still have a bit of money left to take care of their dogs.<br /> <br /> And like I said, with the amount of capped dogs in circulation, one is just starting trialling. There's <b>always</b> at least one in every level of trials. Even if their owner enters the same trial on both accounts. There's no avoiding it aside from not trialling :P

10-4-2012 at 9:28 AM

Also, I do not support giving money for the 4th and 5th place dogs. I believe the cap was put in place to help even out the economy. If everyone who enters earns money back, that just creates more money. The entrance fee's go towards the winners. If you give the 4th and 5th place dogs money back, you will either be creating money out of the Ala system, making it less valuable than it has already become, or the winners will win a tad bit more than they entered. <br /> <br /> One thing you need to see also Shinobi, is that the capped dogs move through trial levels so quickly..like I stated previously, they will not be in your level in the next few days any-who. Some people worked VERY hard to create a capped dog.I agree it brings down the custom's worth a tiny smudge, however how is this any different than someone working their butts off to breed a high TP dog? They have to go through the same pains as you and they usually do it with customs as well.<br /> Just because people don't find it fair, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. <br />

10-3-2012 at 2:54 PM

Actually, there are less trials because of the limit. No one wants to enter their dog against capped dogs and there's such a large supply, there is always capped dogs in a level. And there are players who enter dogs on both accounts into trials. Which is considerably unfair if they enter 3 capped dogs (Which some do I must add)

10-3-2012 at 7:23 AM

No support. To the reasons listed below from other users. <br /> Also I find myself making as much money as previous to this change. <br /> <br /> I believe because the limit is capped, the number of trials available for others are increased. You have 3 different users per trial instead of 1. That promotes equal competition which I am in full support of.<br /> <br /> With the capped dogs thing, I haven;t noticed a loss in money due to capped dogs. Also they tend to go through trials pretty quickly, so chances are you won't find them in your group after a week.

10-2-2012 at 5:46 PM

Absolutely zero support.

10-2-2012 at 4:27 PM

Definitely support. <br /> <br /> Took long before to trial my dogs, but now it takes ages (all day usually because you have to wait and wait and wait...) and I've mostly quit trialing due to that. <br /> <br /> I have no capped dogs and few over 7k in trials, I trial to get TP boosts and to see wins on my dogs, but also to make money. I do not enter dogs in trials where they do not have a chance. <br /> <br /> I get that some people just randomly throw their dogs in somewhere, but that would not only cause me to lose money but also be no fun at all, and trialing would not have much point then. TP boost alone is not a reason for me to trial. <br /> <br /> And it's great that some people have fewer dogs and thus not running into time issues so much.<br /> <br /> But I find it irritating and almost insulting that it seems that the system's problems are now blamed on those of us who do have a lot of dogs. <br /> <br /> It's like telling us "you are dumb to have so many dogs."

09-28-2012 at 6:02 AM

No support.<br /> I'll give my reason later when I can get on the computer.

09-14-2012 at 7:16 PM

Support!

09-14-2012 at 3:24 AM

full support and i know MANY other's that would love to go back to the way it was

09-11-2012 at 7:45 PM

As Clay has covered most the reasons I wouldn't support it, I'll not go into depth about things.<br /> <br /> Two things though:<br /> <br /> I have never owned a capped dog. Ever. I trial all of my trial allowed customs that I have, in odie and sometimes even Toto. <b>I make money</b> Some of my dogs have a $400+ entry fee and I make money. Majority don't win and I make money. I throw them into trials, I don't even trial smartly, which I'm sure I could make more money then. I've proved this time and time again. So the thing about how nobody can make money because you're going against capped dogs is really, not possible. There's not enough capped dogs out there where everyone would lose money on every trial. (Especially in the Odie levels).<br /> <br /> Secondly:<br /> <i>Alternatively, if removing the limit doesn't sit well with anyone; I'd also like if 4th and 5th place dogs could win money also; that way everyone at least makes their entry fee back</i><br /> <br /> Do you know why I trial custom dogs (even if they lost money?) It's because you still get something for trialing regardless of whether or not you make money.<br /> <br /> Your dog gets an increase in TP, something which I know you're aware of due to past suggestions.<br /> <br /> Look at what you pay to get a boost in TP normally:<br /> <br /> A soldier helmet at it's lowest costs in the shop right now is 25 bones. Bones have been ranging in price lately, but I've been seeing them go for 100k, so let's assume you're paying 2,500,000 cash for your soldier helmet. If you use that on a 8999 TP dog, you'll get on average 99.99 boost in TP. Let's round it to 100. That means you're paying 25k per single TP point.<br /> <br /> Trials give you a boost of .1 or .2 per trial no matter if you win or lose. Right now I'm trialing customs anywhere between $100 entry fee and a $420 entry fee. At the highest entry fee, I'd have to enter 10 times to get a total of 1 TP point boost.<br /> <br /> That's 4,200.<br /> <br /> Versus 25k.<br /> <br /> So actually it's best for me to enter my customs into trials, I'm nearly ripping off ala increasing their TP for such a cheap price.<br /> <br /> And, like I said before, my customs still win, so I still make money as well!<br />

09-11-2012 at 9:55 AM

No support.<br /> <br /> <i>"As it stands now, the same capped dogs are making more money with the 2 dog limit and that limit makes it harder to trial."</i><br /> Speaking as someone who owns like 7 capped dogs, it's actually harder now for simple capped dogs to make money. In the higher levels like Otis and Gromit, it's <b>all</b> capped or over-the-cap dogs and I'm <b>not</b> making more money with capped dogs since the change.<br /> <br /> Getting rid of the 2-per-user rule will make it so that someone can put three capped dogs in and fill the rest with not-capped dogs for easy money. <br /> <br /> <i>"In addition to this, the 2-dog limit takes up way too many trials and too much time. It takes me one hour to trial all of my Odie level dogs."</i><br /> I have no issue with time and trialing dogs, this is a problem that lies with the USER, not the website. I don't have 600 dogs, so I don't take a lot of time to trial. An easy way to fill trials fast is to use the middle-mouse button (scroll wheel) to open trials in new tabs, and to use the space bar to shoot down the page to enter your dogs.<br /> <br /> <i>"Many players have quit trialling all together because it's too time consuming and warrents little to no reward unless you own a capped dog."</i><br /> False. I'm currently not trialing <i>any</i> of my capped dogs, just uncapped. You can go in my kennel and look at the Pit Bulls in my "Trial Dogs" kennel. Those dogs bring me over $100k per day alone.<br /> <br /> This attitude people have for capped/higher-TP dogs winning trials is just simply <i>ridiculous</i>. It's like having a bunch of screens, one over the other one, the higher the screen, the bigger the hole. Big rocks WILL get stuck at the top screens, the smaller ones WILL go through the lower screens. It makes <b>no sense</b> to get mad at the smaller rocks because they're getting through the screens to the lower ones. The only thing you can do is get smaller rocks. :/

09-11-2012 at 8:22 AM

I support the idea of 4th and 5th place winning money. I personally don't care about the 2 dog limit